Chatta. Improved
LOWER VALVE Help Desk
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If you have ordered any Mueller boxed Repair KIT or Hydrant Extension from L&C, included are detailed instructions for installing the Parts KIT ordered. Most Kits include illustrations for removing old assemblies.  The following LC HELP Files answer many questions that the Instruction List or Mueller Operating Manual may not easily explain.  Special Tools are required for many repairs.

  MAIN VALVE REMOVAL  Mueller Chatta. IMPROVED Series

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The Improved series Main Valve Assemblies (left and right picture) are removed or installed from above ground using a Mueller Seat Removal Wrench.

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bronze to cast iron matting

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Seat Ring with male threads
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This series of Mueller hydrants have their bronze Seat Ring screwed directly into the cast iron shoe casting that has mated threads. Over decades of this bronze to cast iron matting, galling has occurred, making seat removal more difficult.

The left picture shows that a seat ring installs by turning clockwise.


The Red area on the seat ring is a special copper with inner asbestos gasket that is a seal.

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The Bonnet must first be removed as the normal operating position for the Seat Wrench is mounted where the bonnet was bolted on.

Click the Bonnet link for help on removing that first.

  SEAT REMOVAL WRENCH - Long Type               

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This tool is used to remove the Main Valve Assembly when repairs are required. Wrench self-centers on upper barrel flange. Sent complete with bronze Stem Extension piece (on top of wrench in dark blue), and (2) operator bars.

This heavy-duty long style wrench is lowered all the way down the hydrant barrel and engages with the Bronze Seat Ring (pictured in yellow).

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The wrench was designed for use with All Years of the Mueller "Improved" style fire  hydrants. It can be used on the Centurion series as well.

The "Seat Ring" is factory installed at 350 Foot Pounds of torque. This long style wrench puts all your effort directly on the seat ring.

The wrench will fit ONLY ONE SIZE of seat ring - depending on what size spider HUB is attached to the bottom end. The Hub is the casting piece that rests onto the Bronze Seat Ring. Each casting Hub is marked as to what size it will fit.

A spider hub marked 4-1/2" will also fit a 4-1/4" VO size.
You can change the casting Hub to other size. The Hub piece is held in place with a compression screw.
   RE: If you have both 4-1/4", 4-1/2" and 5-1/4" Main Valve Sizes in your system but your Spider Hub Casting is for only 4-1/4 4-1/2" size, you can order a separate Hub Casting to fit the 5-1/4" seat ring size.

  1. Remove the Bonnet assembly per instructions on the Bonnet Maintenance page.
  2. Insert Seat Wrench so it engages the lugs on the Seat Ring.  Screw the seat wrench Stem Extension piece on to the hydrant upper stem until pin engages to the top of seat wrench.  Shut off water at the gate valve.  Turn wrench Counter Clockwise to unscrew the Seat Ring and Main Valve assembly.
  3. Lift stem, complete valve mechanism, and seat wrench as a unit out from hydrant barrel.
  4. Remove lower stem nuts while the stem and valve assembly is still in seat wrench.  Replace damaged or worn parts.

Seat removal on an old Chatt. hydrant is NOT as easily accomplished as this guy makes it look to be.

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  1. We recommend 2-people to remove the seat ring assembly.
  2. Have a large brass head sledge hammer with you.
  3. Bring a pair of extra long 1-1/4" pipes with you for extra leverage on the "T" top. We recommend 4 to 5 foot long ones.

With each man on the opposite ends of the lever bars turn the wrench to the Left (counter-clockwise), unscrew the seat ring assembly from the shoe. If the seat ring tends to stick, tap the standpipe and the top of the Seat Wrench Head lightly with the brass head hammer while turning the wrench.

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  1. Reassemble and use the seat wrench to hold the valve assembly while tightening the lower stem nuts firmly to stem.
  2. Loosen seat wrench Stem Extension piece so seat ring has some float in seat wrench.  Replace complete working parts and seat wrench assembly into hydrant barrel.
  3. Screw seat ring in place by turning the seat wrench Clockwise.  250 to 300 ft. lbs. of pressure should be used to fully screw-in the bronze seat. Remove seat wrench.
  4. Pull up the stem assembly to make sure the main valve Rubber is against the seat ring face.
  5. Make sure no one is standing directly over the stem assembly and Turn On the water supply to the hydrant. The lower barrel should remain dry if the seat assembly was correctly installed.
  6. Reinstall the Bonnet assembly by reversing procedure that you did to remove it and its internal parts.
  7. Fill oil reservoir .
  8. With one of the hose nozzle caps removed fully cycle the hydrant from fully open back to closed. If your hydrant is equipped with automatic draining, put your ear next to the open hose nozzle. You should hear the water leaving the barrels with a slight vacuum sound.

Testing Bonnet Sealing

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To insure the readiness for instantaneous use, all fire hydrants should be inspected and tested at six-month intervals.

Unscrew one nozzle cap slightly and tighten the others.  Slowly open the main valve to its fully open position.  Tighten the one loose nozzle cap when water starts flowing.

Inspect bonnet flange Gasket and bolts for visual indication that all is water tight.

Next remove the oil plug from the bonnet.  If all is well, no oil or water should be exiting this hole. This confirms that the (2) Stem O-Rings (H93) are doing their job.

If oil and water exits this hole, both of the stem O-rings have failed allowing water to enter the reservoir system.  Either they were damaged during the bonnet rebuild or if not rebuilt yet those O-Rings have dried out and require replacing. If you have fluid exiting around the outside of the Hold Down Nut, then the bonnet O-Ring (H100) also has failed. If fluid escapes from around the Operating Nut, then the Hold down nut O-Ring (H101) has also failed.

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Fully close the main valve, then remove a nozzle cap completely.  Assuming that your hydrant has the self-draining system, examine the inside of the barrel to make certain that the drain valves have completely drained the water from the barrel.

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Proper shutdown of all Mueller hydrants is to fully close the main valve assembly, then turn in opening direction approximately 1/4 turn to relieve the tension on the operating mechanism.

Lubrication Of Chatt. Improved Series

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YES...These hydrants require Lubricant and checking fluid levels every 6-months.

Hydrant should always be shut-down while checking and adding lubricant.

For instructions on this procedure click the Maintenance Link Below.

Maintenance Procedures

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